[DCAD] Last Reminder Was, RE: Extra Ordinary Meeting of DCAD

Joly MacFie joly.nyc at gmail.com
Sun Feb 26 10:55:20 PST 2023 

Hi Andrea,

dcad at lists.igf-dcad.org as in the 'to" field of this email thread. In fact
the cc's are superfluous, so I have removed them.

I actually have another event at that time, and did indicate on the doodle
I would not be available. But I will ensure that a recording is made.

Joly


On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 1:44 PM Andrea Saks <
andrea at andreasaks.onmicrosoft.com> wrote:

> Dear Joly,
>
>
>
> You used a pronoun.. YOU said “this list serve” but no link was provided.
> I would like to compare the lists.  We are trying to rebuild DCAD
>
> Into an active group again and people from  the past might be useful if re
> contacted and want to join again.  I promised Shabbir I would do a little
> digging into the past to see what no longer is presently on your website.
> For instance he did not know about  DCAD accessbility guidelines.   Found
> them.
>
>
>
> Will you be at the meeting??
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
> *Andrea J Saks*
>
> International Telecommunications Specialist for the Deaf
>
> Designated Intersector  Coordinator on Accessibility for ITU-T’ for ISCG (
> Intersector Coordination coordination Group)
>
> Chairman  ITU JCA-AHF (Joint Coordinating Activity on Accessibility and
> Human Factors)
>
> Tel +44 1242 820 800 voice UK
> mobile + 44 7956 222916 (UK) always available with voice mail and SMS and
> what’s app
>
> mobile + 1 425 233 5308 ( USA) voice only when in the USA SMS and what’s
> app available at anytime
> email   andrea.saks at ties.itu.int and andrea at andreasaks.onmicrosoft.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Joly MacFie <joly.nyc at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2023 6:33 PM
> *To:* Andrea Saks <andrea at andreasaks.onmicrosoft.com>
> *Cc:* mshabbirawan at gmail.com; judith at jhellerstein.com; Dynamic Coalition
> on Accessibility and Disability <dcad at lists.igf-dcad.org>; Vinton Cerf <
> vint at google.com>; Lidia Best <best.lidia at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [DCAD] Last Reminder Was, RE: Extra Ordinary Meeting of
> DCAD
>
>
>
> As far as I know, all DCAD members are subscribed to this listserv.
>
>
>
> There may be a couple more people who are subbed, but did not want their
> names published.
>
>
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>
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>
> Joly
>
>
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> On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 12:55 PM Andrea Saks <
> andrea at andreasaks.onmicrosoft.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Shabbir,
>
>
>
> I have some deep concerns now. As I  also saw Joly’s DCAD list minute ago.
> It was a reflection of my old list that I turned over to ISOC.  Masahito
>  Kawamori  and G3ict members were on it. It was quite large. We should
>  send the invitation to them as well.  On the other hand maybe you should
> send an invitation directly as he is the rapporteur for the ITU-T SG16 Q26
> accessibility question.  We could  and should explain why we are having
> this meeting. I could  follow up with an email as we discussed.   Axel
> Leblois and other G3ict members are on this list too. The same should apply
> to Axel Leblois and the others. After all we are trying to resurrect and
> build  DCAD not maintain the current DCAD status quo whose members
> diminished  from that original list
>
>
>
> Have we sent everyone on that list an invitation and an explanation?  Or
> are we using the whittled down list of the people who were on the final
> list at ISOC?  I did not see an explanation with the invitation as to why
> we are having this meeting  either. Should we not give the intention of the
> meeting  mentioned  after such long silence and the old list resurrected?
> We are trying to resurrect DCAD we need them to return.  This would be
> beneficial for IGF as well  We really should not choose a leader until
> everyone can be contacted from the original list. Then maybe people will
> come back and participate.
>
>
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
>
>
> *Andrea J Saks*
>
> International Telecommunications Specialist for the Deaf
>
> Designated Intersector  Coordinator on Accessibility for ITU-T’ for ISCG (
> Intersector Coordination coordination Group)
>
> Chairman  ITU JCA-AHF (Joint Coordinating Activity on Accessibility and
> Human Factors)
>
> Tel +44 1242 820 800 voice UK
> mobile + 44 7956 222916 (UK) always available with voice mail and SMS and
> what’s app
>
> mobile + 1 425 233 5308 ( USA) voice only when in the USA SMS and what’s
> app available at anytime
> email   andrea.saks at ties.itu.int and andrea at andreasaks.onmicrosoft.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Muhammad Shabbir Awan <mshabbirawan at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2023 5:13 PM
> *To:* Andrea Saks <andrea at andreasaks.onmicrosoft.com>;
> judith at jhellerstein.com; 'Dynamic Coalition on Accessibility and
> Disability' <dcad at lists.igf-dcad.org>; 'Lidia Best' <best.lidia at gmail.com>;
> 'Vinton Cerf' <vint at google.com>; 'Lidia Best' <best.lidia at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [DCAD] Last Reminder Was, RE: Extra Ordinary Meeting of
> DCAD
>
>
>
> Hi Andrea,
>
> Not sure why is it so. However, here are the details:
>
>
>
> DCAD Extra Ordinary Meeting
>
> when                    Thursday, March 2, 2023, 4:00 PM GMT - 5:00 PM GMT
>
> location
> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/84488286388?pwd=ajRKdENlYUFmeXFQenA1NnJRM0M5UT09
>
>
>
> Meeting ID: 844 8828 6388 Passcode: 939225
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrea Saks <andrea at andreasaks.onmicrosoft.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2023 10:07 PM
> *To:* mshabbirawan at gmail.com; judith at jhellerstein.com; 'Dynamic Coalition
> on Accessibility and Disability' <dcad at lists.igf-dcad.org>; 'Lidia Best' <
> best.lidia at gmail.com>; 'Vinton Cerf' <vint at google.com>; Lidia Best <
> best.lidia at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [DCAD] Last Reminder Was, RE: Extra Ordinary Meeting of
> DCAD
>
>
>
> Thanks Shabbir.
>
>
>
> What concerns me is I can’t find the original invitation.  Is this part of
> Doodle poll protocol?  I thought it was an email.   I will now check the
> date in the calendar now that I know what it is.  I even checked the
> deleted folder as sometimes invitations from ITU after one responds to the
> invitation goes to the deleted folder. Was the link on there as well??
>
>
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
> *Andrea J Saks*
>
> International Telecommunications Specialist for the Deaf
>
> Designated Intersector  Coordinator on Accessibility for ITU-T’ for ISCG (
> Intersector Coordination coordination Group)
>
> Chairman  ITU JCA-AHF (Joint Coordinating Activity on Accessibility and
> Human Factors)
>
> Tel +44 1242 820 800 voice UK
> mobile + 44 7956 222916 (UK) always available with voice mail and SMS and
> what’s app
>
> mobile + 1 425 233 5308 ( USA) voice only when in the USA SMS and what’s
> app available at anytime
> email   andrea.saks at ties.itu.int and andrea at andreasaks.onmicrosoft.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Muhammad Shabbir Awan <mshabbirawan at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2023 5:00 PM
> *To:* Andrea Saks <andrea at andreasaks.onmicrosoft.com>;
> judith at jhellerstein.com; 'Dynamic Coalition on Accessibility and
> Disability' <dcad at lists.igf-dcad.org>; 'Lidia Best' <best.lidia at gmail.com>;
> 'Vinton Cerf' <vint at google.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [DCAD] Last Reminder Was, RE: Extra Ordinary Meeting of
> DCAD
>
>
>
> Its on March 2 16:00 UTC.
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrea Saks <andrea at andreasaks.onmicrosoft.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2023 9:58 PM
> *To:* judith at jhellerstein.com; Dynamic Coalition on Accessibility and
> Disability <dcad at lists.igf-dcad.org>; Lidia Best <best.lidia at gmail.com>;
> Muhammad Shabbir <mshabbirawan at gmail.com>; Vinton Cerf (vint at google.com) <
> vint at google.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [DCAD] Last Reminder Was, RE: Extra Ordinary Meeting of
> DCAD
>
>
>
> Dear Judith,
>
>
>
> You sent me the invitation . I responded yes .  And I now I can’t find it
> to check the time.. It is not registering in my calendar.  I thought it was
> via email.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
> *Andrea J Saks*
>
> International Telecommunications Specialist for the Deaf
>
> Designated Intersector  Coordinator on Accessibility for ITU-T’ for ISCG (
> Intersector Coordination coordination Group)
>
> Chairman  ITU JCA-AHF (Joint Coordinating Activity on Accessibility and
> Human Factors)
>
> Tel +44 1242 820 800 voice UK
> mobile + 44 7956 222916 (UK) always available with voice mail and SMS and
> what’s app
>
> mobile + 1 425 233 5308 ( USA) voice only when in the USA SMS and what’s
> app available at anytime
> email   andrea.saks at ties.itu.int and andrea at andreasaks.onmicrosoft.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Andrea Saks <andrea at andreasaks.onmicrosoft.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 25, 2023 1:24 PM
> *To:* judith at jhellerstein.com; Dynamic Coalition on Accessibility and
> Disability <dcad at lists.igf-dcad.org>; Lidia Best <best.lidia at gmail.com>;
> Muhammad Shabbir <mshabbirawan at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [DCAD] Last Reminder Was, RE: Extra Ordinary Meeting of
> DCAD
>
>
>
> Judith , please send me the invitation  by email too. Doodle polls do not
> work well we find.
>
>
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* DCAD <dcad-bounces at lists.igf-dcad.org> on behalf of Judith
> Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 25, 2023 1:21:03 PM
> *To:* Lidia Best <best.lidia at gmail.com>; Dynamic Coalition on
> Accessibility and Disability <dcad at lists.igf-dcad.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [DCAD] Last Reminder Was, RE: Extra Ordinary Meeting of
> DCAD
>
>
>
> HI Lidia,
>
> The time is 1600 UTC on March 2nd Not really sure why Doodle is doing
> that.  I will send you a calendar invite
>
> Best
>
> Judith
>
> _________________________________________________________________________
>
> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>
> Hellerstein & Associates
>
> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>
> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>
> Mobile/Whats app: +1202-333-6517
>
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>
> Linked In: www.linkedin.com/in/jhellerstein/
>
> Opening Telecom & Technology Opportunities Worldwide
>
>
>
> On 2/25/23 11:13 PM, Lidia Best wrote:
>
> Hi there.
>
>
>
> I am wondering if I was picking wrong time of the day in Doodle.
>
> Were timings given in Universal Time which is how I was selecting?
>
>
>
> The invite I just received, states 5.00 am in UK and 6 am rest of Europe
> which is simply not going to work. If I  am understanding correctly, This
> rules me out and Andrea too potentially from ability to participate.
>
>
>
> Lidia
>
>
>
> On Sat, 25 Feb 2023, 11:13 Andrea Saks, <andrea at andreasaks.onmicrosoft.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Mohammad,
>
>
>
> Being dyslexic I have never been able to use a doodle what’s it !  The
> days are not a problem.  I did try.  However  because of the time
> difference of five hours ahead in the UK I would appreciate that morning
> choices are favored.
>
> If it is too late in the day ( late evening) I may not be able to make
> it.  I will do my best to attend.  I may
>
>
>
> If I can make suggestion please use Caption First as then you can have a
> transcript for all who can't make it. You can then send that out
> retrospectively . Also the display is better with full page display on the
> stream text  the web page.
>
> ASR simply does not allow this and the display is not easy to read on a
> one or two even three line disappearing display quickly It is difficult to
> read for those with any kind of reading problem and second language usage.
> The money is now there for this so it can be done.
>
> If I am repeating myself apologies!
>
>
>
> Andrea
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* DCAD <dcad-bounces at lists.igf-dcad.org> on behalf of Muhammad
> Shabbir Awan <mshabbirawan at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 25, 2023 3:18:16 AM
> *To:* judith at jhellerstein.com <judith at jhellerstein.com>; 'Dynamic
> Coalition on Accessibility and Disability' <dcad at lists.igf-dcad.org>
> *Subject:* [DCAD] Last Reminder Was, RE: Extra Ordinary Meeting of DCAD
>
>
>
>
>
> This is the last reminder. If you have not filled the Doodle, less than 9
> hours are left to do so.
>
>
>
> https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e36mx4Ad
>
>
>
> This doodle will remain open till 12:00 UTC on 25th February.
>
> Best,
>
> Dr. Muhammad Shabbir.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* DCAD <dcad-bounces at lists.igf-dcad.org> *On Behalf Of *Judith
> Hellerstein
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2023 3:36 AM
> *To:* dcad at lists.igf-dcad.org
> *Subject:* [DCAD] Extra Ordinary Meeting of DCAD
>
>
>
>   Dear DCAD Members,
>
> Lately, the DCAD has been quite silent and the result has been that in
> 2022 there was no representation of DCAD in IGF. In our understanding this
> has been due to mainly because of lack of leadership, dearth of activeness
> of DCAD members and its governance structure. We (Myself, Shabbir, Peter,
> Judy, and Lidia) have been thinking and discussing this issue amongst and
> others as well. in this context, myself and Shabbir talked to some other
> DCs and found that we need to change our governance model as well as find
> new coordinator(s).
>
> To discuss this and decide a future plan of action, we feel that an
> extraordinary meeting of DCAD is necessary. So, please use this Doodle to
> mark your availability for date/time you can attend an online meeting
> through Zoom. Kindly mark as many options as you can and we’ll pick the
> most popular time.
>
> https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/e36mx4Ad
>
> This doodle will remain open till 12:00 UTC on 25th February.
>
> We would have 2 point agenda:
>
> 1. Deciding on a Governance model.
>
> 2. Appointing a leader for DCAD;
>
> I and Shabbir will also present a report on our findings and conclusions
> based on our discussions with other DCs.
>
> I would like to propose Dr. Muhammad Shabbir
> <https://www.internetsociety.org/author/shabbir/> to chair this
> extraordinary meeting of DCAD. If someone has objection to this proposal,
> or to Dr. Shabbir chairing the call, please do let us know. We will be
> arranging for human captioning for this call.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>  Judith Hellerstein
>
>
>
> --
>
> _________________________________________________________________________
>
> Judith Hellerstein, Founder & CEO
>
> Hellerstein & Associates
>
> 3001 Veazey Terrace NW, Washington DC 20008
>
> Phone: (202) 362-5139  Skype ID: judithhellerstein
>
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>
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